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What to do with this sword.

Postby JJ » 13 Sep 2014 19:12

Hi Everyone. I’m new to HEMA and train with Paul in Manchester, this is my first post which is a search for info. I’ve been given a sword and bayonet (see photos) the sword is heavily tarnished and unsharpened. Do you think it would make a good training piece or is it only for display? Could it be cleaned to reveal the blade detail? Sorry for the green horn questions.
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Re: What to do with this sword.

Postby admin » 21 Sep 2014 18:33

Hi JJ,
Welcome to the club and welcome to the forum.
The sword looks like an 1821 pattern Royal Artillery officer's sword (though it might be light cavalry - difficult o be certain from these photos) - is there any chance of a close-up of the blade details at the base of the blade? Maybe it says 'Royal Artillery' halfway up? It should also have a monarch's cypher halfway up the blade - probably VR for Victoria. It is a decent antique sword and can certainly be used for solo sabre practice - just try not to mess it up by bashing it against stuff/other swords :) If you want to clean it (though it may not need it), just use Autosol and a rag at most - try and not handle the blade too much and rub it down with an oily rag when you do.
The bayonet is a French 1866 pattern Chassepot bayonet, which for some unknown reason are very common in the UK, but still a nice piece.
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Re: What to do with this sword.

Postby Max C. » 22 Sep 2014 03:16

The bayonet is a French 1866 pattern Chassepot bayonet, which for some unknown reason are very common in the UK, but still a nice piece.


Its also incredibly common in Canada and I see them on sale here on a regular basis. I wonder if some police corps were equipped with it as they were in France?
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Re: What to do with this sword.

Postby admin » 22 Sep 2014 07:54

I have no idea, but it is one of the most common types of 19th century bayonet to see here! I wonder if it is something to do with them being taken back to Germany after the Franco-Prussian war and then brought back to Allied countries at the end of WW2... a mystery :)
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Re: What to do with this sword.

Postby admin » 22 Sep 2014 07:55

Having said that, the dates wouldn't make sense, as most of the examples you see here are from the first half of the 1870s.
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Re: What to do with this sword.

Postby Paul B » 27 Sep 2014 21:17

FYI the sword has a very wide flat back to it, running 2/3rds of the length.
The blade is blunt and has almost certainly never been sharp.
It's nice and solid though, no rattle or movement in the hilt.

Matt: what pattern is the artillery issuing for dress swords now?
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Re: What to do with this sword.

Postby Tyler Brandon » 29 Sep 2014 00:13

admin wrote:Having said that, the dates wouldn't make sense, as most of the examples you see here are from the first half of the 1870s.


Bunch is the U.S. too, lots of 1870s marked. I have one myself.
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Re: What to do with this sword.

Postby admin » 03 Oct 2014 12:41

Paul B wrote:Matt: what pattern is the artillery issuing for dress swords now?


Officers' swords aren't issued, they are purchased by officers (though in some cases armouries keep a few in store for hard-up officers) :)
The same pattern is still regulation, though from about 1890 onwards they look quite different, with straight blades and straight grips, fully chequered on the backstrap.
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