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Mark X bayonet fencing rifle

Postby Joolz » 23 Feb 2014 17:32

I've been tasked with restoring an original Webley & Scott Mark X bayonet training rifle dating from just before WW1. I thought I would post some pics of the component parts, before putting it all back together. (I'm also hoping to eventually make repros for my salle....sometime....).

It's seen a hard life, with much surface corrosion and extensive pitting of the steel, and the spring/plunger are beyond repair and are being reproduced by another person, so do not feature in these pics. The stock has cracked in two at the breech, so that will also need repairing. However, the metalwork is sound and strong; these things were built to take severe punishment. The forend nosecap, breech ring and breech plug/backstrap are all steel castings. The barrel is a simple steel tube, threaded at the muzzle, with a turned steel spring/bayonet stop. There is a substantial steel strengthening bar that runs the length of the underside of the stock from the wrist to the forend, that ties it all together, and a massive, weighty solid cast steel butt cap.

First of all, what it should look complete & assembled:
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Re: Mark X bayonet fencing rifle

Postby Joolz » 23 Feb 2014 17:35

And now all the bits, in various stages of assembly/disassembly:
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Re: Mark X bayonet fencing rifle

Postby Joolz » 23 Feb 2014 17:37

And either extremity:
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Re: Mark X bayonet fencing rifle

Postby Joolz » 23 Feb 2014 17:40

And the broken stock, which should mend nicely and strongly:
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Re: Mark X bayonet fencing rifle

Postby admin » 23 Feb 2014 21:48

Fantastic, many thanks for sharing this!
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Re: Mark X bayonet fencing rifle

Postby Joolz » 23 Feb 2014 22:07

No problem, I get to play with all kinds of interesting 'toys', the last one being this monster, a 'Francotte' (ie. Belgian patent infringement/copy) of a Webley Pryse revolver in a massive .577 calibre, with shoulder stock. A truly giant, beautifully made hand-cannon in fabulous condition (I'd have to sell a kidney to afford it, though.....sigh!).

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Re: Mark X bayonet fencing rifle

Postby MEversbergII » 24 Feb 2014 05:40

Now those are some beautiful pieces. I would not mind owning one of those trainers, for sure...

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Re: Mark X bayonet fencing rifle

Postby Joolz » 02 Mar 2014 15:33

I've finished my work on this Mark X and will be returning it to its owner soon to be united with a new (aged) bayonet and spring.

For those of you who are nerdy about these things, I have taken a raft of measurements (see below). They are rounded to nearest half mm (be aware that they should actually be the closest Imperial measurement, as that was the system in place back then, but I can't be arsed to do 16ths/32nds or Thous of an Inch.....

Overall Length (butt to muzzle cap incl.) = 1172mm (please note I strongly suspect from the patination that 25mm has been cut off the barrel at the breech end, so all measurements which include the barrel need to be seen in this light)
Barrel Length (tube only, no muzzle cap) = 840mm (852mm incl. knurled part of muzzle cap insert - 12mm long) see note above!!
Barrel Inside Diameter = 22.5mm
Barrel Outside Diameter = 27.5mm
Length of Barrel extending past forend nose cap = 350mm + 12mm for muzzle cap
Overall Length of Muzzle Cap threaded insert = 99mm
Outside Diameter of knurled part of Muzzle Cap = 28.5mm
Inside Diameter of knurled part of Muzzle Cap = 16.5mm (this goes straight through the insert, thus the bayonet shaft itself would be around 16mm diameter)
Length of Screw Thread on Muzzle Insert = 25.5mm (the actual threaded part inside the barrel is around 2/3 as much again)
Woodwork Overall Length (before attaching any metalwork) = 775mm
Stock Length (excluding butt cap, to breech ring casting) = 295mm
Height of Wood Butt (at highest part, just before butt cap) = 107mm
Thickness of Wood Butt (just before butt cap) = 45mm
Thickness of Stock (at widest point, just before breech ring) = 51mm
Thickness at Wrist of Stock = 39mm thick x 42mm high
Overall Height of Butt Cap Casting = 115mm
Thickness (Width) of Butt Cap Casting = 45mm
Length (Depth?) of Butt Cap Casting = 24mm
Forend Length (from breech ring to nose cap castings) = 423mm
Forent Thickness (at widest part - it's parallel, but tapers slightly to nosecap) = 43.5mm
Forend Height (wood only) 33mm
Overall Height of forend, inset barrel & inset strengthening bar on underside = 48.5mm
Overall Length of Inset Strengthening Bar on underside of forend & wrist = 635mm
Width of Strengthening Bar = 16mm
Thickness of Strengthening Bar = 7mm
Bar extends for 155mm from Breech Ring casting down the wrist of the stock, and along the entire length of the forend.
Outside Diameter of Breech Ring Casting = 60.5mm
Length of Breech Ring Casting = 32mm
A screw goes through this (from above), through the barrel, stock and strengthening bar into the other side of the ring casting.
Width of Forend Nose Cap Casting = 39mm
Length of Forend Nose Cap Casting (at longest point, just below barrel opening) = 33.5mm
Width of Barrel Band part of Nose Cap Casting = 22.5mm
Forend Nose Cap is screwed to the strengthening bar on the underside.
Overall Length of Backstrap Casting (minus plug that is inside barrel) = 168mm
Length of plug section of Backstrap Casting = 32mm
A screw goes through the strengthening bar (from underside) and up into the backstrap casting.

Enjoy!

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