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Use of cudgels for sparring

Postby admin » 07 Jul 2012 23:16

This image from the Romance of Alexander (c.1340) reminded me that there are quite a few images like this in 14th-15thC manuscripts, showing unarmoured fellows apparently sparring with a cudgel and shield.
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Re: Use of cudgels for sparring

Postby Payson » 08 Jul 2012 08:23

Looks like the SCA was right... :wink:
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Re: Use of cudgels for sparring

Postby admin » 08 Jul 2012 09:27

I guess these clubs survive even into the late-15th century with the types used for club tournaments as seen in Rene d'Anjou's tournament book and other 'kolbenturnier'.

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I think because of the treatises we study we probably have a polarised view of armoured combat training - if you look at 90% of medieval art it shows people bashing each other's armour with their swords. With a sword and shield you can only easily bash and poke - I can only think of a handful of examples of halswording in art where the user also has a shield. These boys in the Romance of Alexander are training in the 1340's, when the predominant sidearms of the knight were the sword and shield. I think what the SCA do is probably not far off, in some regards.
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Re: Use of cudgels for sparring

Postby Payson » 08 Jul 2012 14:24

Yeah, I think you are right that at its root 46 years ago, the SCA took their inspiration from King Rene's manual. I think this supports our approach as well, in seeking training weapon solutions in whatever materials and designs that promote the most useful training (e.g. nylon wasters, feders, fencing masks etc.). The Medievals faced the same laws of physics based problems that we have in trying to train for 'ernst fechten' without injuring your friends. We are wise to learn from their experience in this regard.
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Re: Use of cudgels for sparring

Postby admin » 15 Jan 2013 14:55

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