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Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby Mearcstapa » 05 Apr 2014 18:25

All - does anyone know if there is or even was a manual for the 1908 (and 1912) Cavalry Sword? I am desperately trying to find one and this seems the best place to ask.

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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby MEversbergII » 05 Apr 2014 23:57

It isn't "British", but Patton created a manual for essentially the same weapon: http://www.pattonhq.com/pdffiles/saberexercise.pdf

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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby Mearcstapa » 06 Apr 2014 15:19

Thanks - will be interesting to compare if I ever find the British equivalent!
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby admin » 07 Apr 2014 07:23

MEversbergII wrote:It isn't "British", but Patton created a manual for essentially the same weapon: http://www.pattonhq.com/pdffiles/saberexercise.pdf


It's really quite a different sword, but I see what you're saying.

It is clear that there was a specific method for the 1908/1912 because it is shown in early films being instructed at barracks in WW1. However, it is outside my period and I've never really looked into it - have you found no cavalry regulation manuals from post-1908?
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby admin » 07 Apr 2014 07:40

Okay, the standard manual seems to have been 'Cavalry Training', War Office, HM Stationery Office, London, 1912.
It was reprinted with amendments in 1915.

There also seem to be earlier works published in 1904 and 1907, which may or may not just be earlier versions of essentially the same work.
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby admin » 07 Apr 2014 08:01

Here is the original edition of 1915 for a mere £75:
http://www.jcmilitaria.com/details.asp?ID=9305

Worth buying and republishing, I'd say! Outside my period though.
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby admin » 07 Apr 2014 11:36

Here you go - quite an affordable reprint of the 1907 edition:
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/CAVALRY-TRAIN ... 9392495/bd
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby MEversbergII » 08 Apr 2014 00:55

admin wrote:
It's really quite a different sword, but I see what you're saying.



Well, I'm poorly educated. How are they different?

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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby admin » 08 Apr 2014 10:49

They have quite differently-shaped grips and the Patton is mostly double-edged. They are of a similar type though, admittedly. Patton's primary influence seems to have been French though, rather than British.
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby Jonathan » 08 Apr 2014 14:17

The blade of Patton's sword is very similar to that of a Swedish M1893 cavalry sword.
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby MEversbergII » 08 Apr 2014 14:44

Hm. I think one guy over at the Sword Buyer's Guide did a comparison now to think of it. May have to dig it up. These late cav swords are something I'd like to add to the collection eventually.

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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby Robin Plunder » 06 Feb 2015 01:06

I know this is an older thread but if your still looking there is this too:
"Cavalry Training Indian Supplement Instructions for Sword Practice for Indian Cavalry 1911"
http://www.naval-military-press.com/cav ... -1911.html
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby Mearcstapa » 23 May 2015 11:12

Thanks for the idea, but I've already read it - besides, it uses the Indian 'hybrid' of something like a 1796 blade with a three-bar 1823 Light Cavalry hilt.
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby admin » 08 Jun 2015 11:17

1821 pattern hilt ;)

Makers of those Indian cavalry swords (such as Mole and Wilkinson) simply labelled them 'tulwars'!
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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

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Re: Cry for help - Manual for the British 1908 Cavalry Sword

Postby Mearcstapa » 20 Jul 2015 22:21

Mea culpa - thanks chaps!
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