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Postby admin » 24 Aug 2009 11:58

Yes, that could work. It all really depends on what weights and balances you make available - hopefully it will turn out that all versions are safe enough to use competitively.
Just please, as Nick and Michael have said, make one exactly like Number 7! :D
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Postby Nikos » 24 Aug 2009 12:00

Yeh I agree with that, I don't want anything different to no.7 and I don't want our meber buying something any different, fact is people might want different balances, but many people don't know whats best for them.
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Postby David Rawlings » 24 Aug 2009 12:01

I'd like to point out that any thing done to change the weight of the(very light) pommel is going to bring the balance point back in effect so I think you are worrying over nothing. :D
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Postby admin » 24 Aug 2009 12:04

Nikos wrote:Yeh I agree with that, I don't want anything different to no.7 and I don't want our meber buying something any different, fact is people might want different balances, but many people don't know whats best for them.


Exactly.
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Postby admin » 24 Aug 2009 12:05

corporal heidi wrote:I'd like to point out that any thing done to change the weight of the(very light) pommel is going to bring the balance point back in effect so I think you are worrying over nothing. :D


That is a fair point in one sense, but it comes down to Newton and physics - extra mass is extra mass.
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Postby Nikos » 24 Aug 2009 12:07

As well as the fact that increasing the pommel weight brought the vibrations in to the hilt, which will very quickly stress the joints and cause injury, leading to both injury and negative reviews of plastics, the no.7 balance solved this, as I said, many people don't know whats best for them.
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Postby TheDude » 24 Aug 2009 12:07

I defintiely do not want my students having options with the nylons, just one, simple, consistent design that I know will be safe and suitable for cross club sparring too. The more options the less standardised these swords will become.

No7 please :-)
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Postby admin » 24 Aug 2009 12:11

TheDude wrote:The more options the less standardised these swords will become.


Yes, it seems comical to make a standard weapon and then give options... Imagine if the Hanwei Practical Longsword had optional pommels of different weights. Nightmare. :shock:
But I may be wrong. :)
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Postby David Rawlings » 24 Aug 2009 12:12

Nikos wrote:As well as the fact that increasing the pommel weight brought the vibrations in to the hilt, which will very quickly stress the joints and cause injury, leading to both injury and negative reviews of plastics, the no.7 balance solved this, as I said, many people don't know whats best for them.


having batted the shit out with these yesterday I'll point out, nonsense, all worked fine:D
personal choice is good, don't overdictate :D
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Postby admin » 24 Aug 2009 12:16

What is the latest on the rubber tips? Any idea how long they'll be?
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Postby Dangermouse » 24 Aug 2009 12:17

admin wrote:
TheDude wrote:The more options the less standardised these swords will become.


Yes, it seems comical to make a standard weapon and then give options... Imagine if the Hanwei Practical Longsword had optional pommels of different weights. Nightmare. :shock:
But I may be wrong. :)


Yeah, it's like asking hanwei for parts so you can customize a sidesword or something like that :roll:

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Postby Dangermouse » 24 Aug 2009 12:18

admin wrote:What is the latest on the rubber tips? Any idea how long they'll be?


Long enough to keep you all happy :D
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Postby David Rawlings » 24 Aug 2009 12:19

something worth bearing in mind also is, that a group of four or so people dictating exactly which sword the community should use, is the same in effect as me telling that group(ie you) I know better than you so you have no choice,

I offered you options, I think in fairness, within the parameters of safety, we should offer the community the same.

offer a framework, give freedom within that.
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Postby Stevie T » 24 Aug 2009 12:21

Is there any idea WHEN these things are going to be available?

Looks like I will be starting at least 2 new classes by mid October and I'd I rather not have to buy/make something else only to replace it a couple of weeks later. (In all honesty I can't afford to! :D )
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Postby admin » 24 Aug 2009 12:24

Dangermouse wrote:Yeah, it's like asking hanwei for parts so you can customize a sidesword or something like that :roll:


It's a fair point.
Still quite funny that it's a 'standardised' sword that isn't going to be standard. :D
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Postby Nikos » 24 Aug 2009 12:26

Dangermouse wrote:
admin wrote:
TheDude wrote:The more options the less standardised these swords will become.


Yes, it seems comical to make a standard weapon and then give options... Imagine if the Hanwei Practical Longsword had optional pommels of different weights. Nightmare. :shock:
But I may be wrong. :)


Yeah, it's like asking hanwei for parts so you can customize a sidesword or something like that :roll:

:D


I am doing that because the got they design wrong in the first place, so I have made a new proper standard model, you have got the design right with no.7.
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Postby admin » 24 Aug 2009 12:28

corporal heidi wrote:something worth bearing in mind also is, that a group of four or so people dictating exactly which sword the community should use, is the same in effect as me telling that group(ie you) I know better than you so you have no choice,

I offered you options, I think in fairness, within the parameters of safety, we should offer the community the same.


Actually I agree in general.

But it goes against Bryan's mission statement of making a standard competition weapon. The particular version or versions allowed for a competition will come down to the competition organiser, just as it does now. So it will not create a standardised weapon simulator.

I don't have a problem with that, but I thought Bryan did.
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Postby Dangermouse » 24 Aug 2009 12:36

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Dangermouse wrote:Yeah, it's like asking hanwei for parts so you can customize a sidesword or something like that :roll:


It's a fair point.
Still quite funny that it's a 'standardised' sword that isn't going to be standard. :D


The blades will be of standard flex, length and weight. Pommels and guards will be optional.

We all have different guards and pommels on our swords don't we?
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Postby David Rawlings » 24 Aug 2009 12:41

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But it goes against Bryan's mission statement of making a standard competition weapon. The particular version or versions allowed for a competition will come down to the competition organiser, just as it does now. So it will not create a standardised weapon simulator.

I don't have a problem with that, but I thought Bryan did.


I can understand that, as far as I'm concerned and Bryan can correct me if I'm wrong, is, I will put no 7 as the sword that our Schools concur on as recommending for our school standard. (I would however be happy to accomodate a degree of choice for my students should they prefer something that handles a little differently).

Now it's my opinion that there is scope to offer balance options that will still keep these safe in competition.

If Bryan's happy to make those options, if those options remain safe, I'm all for it.
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Postby David Rawlings » 24 Aug 2009 12:43

Dangermouse wrote:
We all have different guards and pommels on our swords don't we?

oddly enough we all decided little cross guard balls would be nice :oops: :D

but again, as long as safety is the watch word, choice is good
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