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A new system of sword exercice - O'Rourke - 1872

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2010 06:23
by Max C.

Re: A new system of sword exercice, O'Rourke - 1872

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2010 09:34
by Andreas Engström
Cool, but what the heck is up with the illustrations? There seem to be big white rectangles placed over most of them, obscuring the images quite badly..

-Andreas

Re: A new system of sword exercice, O'Rourke - 1872

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2010 12:04
by admin
Nice find - I thought we already had this linked here, but I see that we can only view a preview on Google Books in the UK. It was quite a popular treatise in the USA.
Andreas, I had the same problem but when I messed around with the zoom it seems to sort itself out. Something to do with the software being temperamental.

Re: A new system of sword exercice - O'Rourke - 1872

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2014 11:43
by the_last_alive
Has anyone had any luck locating the other books listed on the Title page (Sword Exercise Illustrated or A Treatise on Swords and Swordsmanship, Ancient and Modern)?

Re: A new system of sword exercice - O'Rourke - 1872

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2014 11:48
by the_last_alive
Ok, just found the following line about Sword Exercise Illustrated:


Later edition published with title: A new system of sword exercise.

Re: A new system of sword exercice - O'Rourke - 1872

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2014 13:54
by admin
Interesting - Sword Exercise Illustrated seems to have been a sort of first edition of the 1872 work (which was itself the second edition) - the first ed. was published in 1865:
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/S ... edir_esc=y

And again in 1866:
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/S ... edir_esc=y

So 'Sword Exercise Illustrated' seems to just be the first edition of the work linked at the top of this thread. Which is significant, as it places the system in the US Civil War, rather than after it.

There was a poster version:
"entitled Sword Exercise Illustrated by Capt. M.J. O'Rourke, self published N.Y. 1865, small 8vo in embossed black cloth boards with gilt patriotic designs on cover with single-folded 34" x 44" chart with 39 different swordsmanship stances illustrated, each with explanatory text."
http://www.cowanauctions.com/auctions/i ... emId=34372

Re: A new system of sword exercice - O'Rourke - 1872

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2014 13:55
by admin
Huh, I just realised that the poster is a rip-off of Angelo's. :)
See the 3 stances and the recovery to 1st position with every parry.

Re: A new system of sword exercice - O'Rourke - 1872

PostPosted: 26 Feb 2014 16:42
by Max C.
In his 1872 preface O'Rourke mentions that "seven years have passed since the first edition" and that his system was developed "under many disadvantages" during the war although he deemed it "crude and imperfect". So some form of his system (or rather Angelo's) was used during the war, but it wasn't published until after it ended in May 1865 (at least that's what I get from his writing).

Re: A new system of sword exercice - O'Rourke - 1872

PostPosted: 17 Mar 2014 14:16
by admin
Another bit of 19thC fencing history pieced together by the Schola Forum members, well done fellows! :)