I think it would really be a useful thing for students of other fencing systems to have: a brief list of the meisterhau and basically what each one does and why. As concise as possible.
Who wants to give it a try?

Matt
admin wrote:Anders that's very helpful - are there only 5?
I'm still a bit fuzzy on the schielhau.. The others are quite clear.
Could the scheitelhau simply be: a vertical cut to the head with the hands raised high so as not to be hit by a rising cut. ?
Matt
admin wrote:Could the scheitelhau simply be: a vertical cut to the head with the hands raised high so as not to be hit by a rising cut. ?
admin wrote:Anders that's very helpful - are there only 5?
I'm still a bit fuzzy on the schielhau.. The others are quite clear.
Could the scheitelhau simply be: a vertical cut to the head with the hands raised high so as not to be hit by a rising cut. ?
Matt
Vive la France ! wrote:admin wrote:Could the scheitelhau simply be: a vertical cut to the head with the hands raised high so as not to be hit by a rising cut. ?
It's also my opinion
philippe willaume wrote:Hello
Zorhn= a straight cut that starts from the shoulder (and that does not finish like any of the other four)
Crump=a strike which finish is not planar. i.e. twisted or curved
Zwerch=a Crump that is so curved that the short edge hits and stays high
Schiel= a Zwerch that finishes left instead of high.
Scheitel= a vertical strike
Which for ringeck is the starting point to break the alber. (As in strike from the long shaiteln top to bottom (not strike with or even out of)
It does breaks the alber directly in VD/lew/speyer but in those the very extended version of alber or the cut from below can be covered with a crump into the shrankhut to the hands (which is not present in ringeck) and is much more messy if it poopy up and it is hairy if the guy in alber is waiting for us.
phil
phil
The fencing master Joachim Meyer in his Thorough Descriptions of the Knightly Art of Fencing (first published in 1570) describes five strikes called Meisterhauwen, or “Mastercuts.” Although this appears to be the first recorded use of the term it certainly isn’t the first appearance of these five core techniques of German swordsmanship: the Zornhau, Krumphau, Zwerchhau, Scheitelhau, and Schielhau. The Medieval German fencing masters of the previous century taught them as “Verbogen Haue” or “Funff Haue”, meaning the “hidden” or “secret strikes” and also “the five strikes.”
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