Discussing the outer takings

(Cross posted from the HEMA Alliance forum, where I expect a bit more discussion will take place: http://hemaalliance.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3970)
From the "Hende Trucken (Pressing the Hands) / Schneiden (slicing)" thread:
I have to admit, I don't have a good interpretation of the outer takings. Usually I just ignore them and get on with what I do understand and am trying to improve, figuring that I will find some time to spend on them at some point later. Since the matter has come up, and it sounds like Dustin has some ideas about these, do you mind sharing? I'm quite intrigued to see how other people understand these rather cryptic techniques!
From the "Hende Trucken (Pressing the Hands) / Schneiden (slicing)" thread:
Dustin Reagan wrote:Jake Norwood wrote:This is annoying similar to the section at the end of Nachreissen in PvD. In fact, PvD has a seemingly inordinate number of solutions for the problem of someone falling on your low guard.
The outer-taking is different from the abschneiden, because in the outer-taking the opponent is the one whose blade is on bottom (he's coming up with the short edge to 'oh shit!' parry your nachreisan). You don't need to slice off his blade, because your are the one with dominant position.
Dustin Reagan wrote:Christian Trosclair wrote:The outer-taking is different from the abschneiden, because in the outer-taking the opponent is the one whose blade is on bottom (he's coming up with the short edge to 'oh shit!' parry your nachreisan). You don't need to slice off his blade, because your are the one with dominant position.
Different but still the same because the same proprioceptive trick still works
Yeah, the difference is that in the outer-taking you don't need to slice your blade out from a less-dominant position. I agree that the outer-taking works best when you hold firm against him while you cut him with crossed-arm Zwerchau.
I have to admit, I don't have a good interpretation of the outer takings. Usually I just ignore them and get on with what I do understand and am trying to improve, figuring that I will find some time to spend on them at some point later. Since the matter has come up, and it sounds like Dustin has some ideas about these, do you mind sharing? I'm quite intrigued to see how other people understand these rather cryptic techniques!